“Firefighter”: a term coined to pretend that women are as capable as men in the fire service. I beg to differ.
Life is beautiful
A fire breaks out in your home and you return from work to see flames engulfing the house.
Your wife and baby boy are trapped in an upstairs room.
The fire brigade are already on the scene, hoses unrolled and attacking the fire with water.
Two firefighters prepare their protective gear, ready to go in to rescue your family. They’re big burly men, almost too big for their fire suits, and they move professionally.
The two men finish prepping and storm into the house.
A minute goes by.
Then two.
Then three.
Time is frozen for you in life or death rigour.
And in a rush, both firemen head out of the house with your wife, barely conscious, carried out under a fire blanket by one of them, and your baby boy cradled in the arms of the other man.
It takes less than 2 minutes for the paramedics to announce that both mother and child are OK, but would be treated for minor smoke inhalation.
The firemen answer your frantic questions: “We had to break down the front door and the bedroom door.” “What the hell kind of doors do you have in that place? Nearly broke my shoulder getting through.”
Praise be to the emergency services. You go to hug one of the firemen in relief but he holds his hands up and says: “Whoa! Dinner and a movie first!”
You all crack-up laughing. It’s great to be alive!
Life is a bitch
A fire breaks out in your home and you return from work to see flames engulfing the house.
Your wife and baby boy are trapped in an upstairs room.
The fire brigade are already on the scene, hoses unrolled and attacking the fire with water.
Two firefighters prepare their protective gear, ready to go in to rescue your family. They’re short, slight women, drowning in their fire suits, but they move professionally.
The two women finish prepping and storm into the house.
A minute goes by.
Then two.
Then three.
Time is frozen for you in life or death rigour.
And in a rush, both firewomen head out of the house supporting each other and stumbling away from the heat.
Your wife and child are still inside the burning house.
The women get closer to you and tear off their breathing gear.
You’ve lost the plot and are frantically trying to run towards the house, but the paramedics cling on to you and hold you back. It would be suicide.
The first firewoman speaks, out of breath: “The doors… couldn’t break them down… too solid… sorry… so sorry…”
The paramedics, the two firewomen and a broken man look at the house as it continues to burn.
You no longer feel the heat, you feel like you’ve turned into ice.
You turn from the flames and your family who you know are lost inside.
Your eyes fall onto the side of the fire engine you stand beside.
Some words catch your eye, stark gold lettering on the red of the engine:
“The London Fire Brigade is proud to be an equal opportunities employer”.
You mentally add a few words of your own:
“No matter who it kills”.
I love your work. Please, keep doing it and exposing the evil of feminism.
With your permission, I’ll translate some of your text into portuguese and put it in my blog. I’ll add a link for the original.
God bless you all.
Welcome and please go ahead.
This video would win hearts and minds in the UK at a stroke. But British people are constantly denied this side of the argument, let alone in a quality presentation. We need to get these out somehow!
You might be right, but I’m not so sure. As a rule, people believe what they’re told to believe.
I remember a friend of mine saying that he thought that the only women that would go for a job like ‘firefighter’, would be butch, Russian shot-putter types, so what’s the big deal? I told him if only that were true, there would be no argument from me. I’d be right behind them or anyone else that was qualified to do the job. However, it’s not shot-putters, it’s women who would need a hand with a heavy shopping bag who are allowed into the fire service. I can only hope and pray that I never have to depend on such a person in a life or death situation.
The fact seems to be, that hard-edged realities as discussed here are simply unimportant to people in the abstract. However, let them lose a loved one in a fire because Janice and Susie weren’t strong enough to do the job, and maybe you’d change that one person’s mind. The rest will continue supporting affirmative action for incompetent firewomen indefinitely. Go figure.
I love the video and your explanation of its content. It does illustrate precisely the kind of lies, the underminding of reality, the false pretences, and the feel-good bullshit that it is spread through feminism.
I am a fireman who hates the feminist agenda you normally expose so well, however this video is very poorly researched and frankly, ridiculous.. We do not shoulder barge doors down and the doors are not some odd L shape counter balance. Women who cannot pass physical tests cannot become firefighters. I have worked with some excellent female firefighters and your implication that all women are useless is the sort of thing that gives weight to feminism.
However, there are some seriously discriminatory and very unfair policies that the brigade use when recruiting women that you have not looked into. You have missed a trick on this one.
It’s a shame to have to respond to you like this, considering you imply that you have seen my material and are generally supportive, but your comment here warrants little respect.
1) I know three fireman and yes indeed, I could have sat down with them and presented a technically perfect representation of how this or that house fire might be dealt with by the London Fire Brigade. However, as anyone should be able to see quite clearly, the details of the event described are irrelevant to the point being made.
2) The game show footage is not there to suggest that doors are “some odd L shape counter balance”. The point made by the footage could not be more obvious (yet, you miss it).
3) “Women who cannot pass physical tests cannot become firefighters”. Women can indeed fail the physical part of firefighter training and yet can still become firefighters on the basis of overall test score provided the failure is within specific bounds (men receive no such allowance for failure). Same happens in the military. And the police force. However, the main point is not those cases where this has occurred, the main point is about the general lowering of standards to enable women to pass. This is addressed in the full Pay Gap film.
4) It’s great that you’ve worked with some “excellent female firefighters”. However, it has no relevance to what is discussed here.
5) There is no implication that “all women are useless”. That implication is borne of your own imagination and not anything I have said or shown.
If you want to itemise some issues with Brigade policy not covered in the Pay Gap film, go right ahead, it could be of use. But frankly, considering your near complete misunderstanding of what is presented here, I doubt what you might say would be of much value.
Thank you for your reply. No matter how patronising or arrogant it may be.
The emotional stroy that accompanies this video desribes 2 women who cannot shoulder barge a door down and cause a family to die, does it not? Neither men or women can or do shoulder barge doors in. Perhaps you should have consulted your 3 firemen friends before you wrote this?
No one who fails the physical tests can then become a firefighter. The tests are not part of the overall score. It is a pass or fail situation and if a woman fails then gets employed over a male, then the brigade would be in for some serious legal action, which they hate even more than employing white males. However, as you have pointed out in your paygap film, yes, standards have been adjusted (lowered) which is almost certainly to employ more women.
Your film “paygap”. Ok, there’s a lot I agree with but again, there is flawed information. At 22.28 you state that the women won’t do the dangerous jobs. This in nonsense. The nominated breathing apparatus wearers (the ones going in the burning buildings) are specified at the start of duty and its done on a rotational basis. They are not “protected from the toughest and most dangerous tasks”.
Yes they are physically less able than men and yes, you raise an important issue about the possibility that an all famle crew would not have the same strength capabilites as men, but there are plenty of weedy and thin men in the brigade, just as there are some women who are as strong as oxes (and in some cases look like them).
“no implication that women are useless”. I’m sorry then but we have been watching different films then. 6.00 minutes in on the paygap film for example. Yes, all women just want to sit around checking on thier nails and thinking about nice cuddly kittens while us hairy arsed brutes dig holes in mud with rusty broken spades. I really think you are fuelling the fires of feminism with some of your arguments.
“If you want to itemise some issues with Brigade policy not covered in the Pay Gap film, go right ahead, it could be of use. But frankly, considering your near complete misunderstanding of what is presented here, I doubt what you might say would be of much value.”
This patronising comment really only serves to enflame any debate into an arguement but I shall present the information to you anyway and let you judge.
The fire brigade, as well as hosting open days for women as mentioned by your anonymous whistle blower, now provide 1 on 1, professional regular, free personal training for women to help them train to the required standard. This of course is not available to men and would cost a lot of money in a commercial gym. I have a female friend who is currently undertaking this and she is NOT made of the right metal to become are firefighter. Will she become one? Proabably, yes. And this is VERY wrong.
Listen, I am supportive of your work here but when I see flawed information and arguements realting to something I know quite a lot about then I have to say something. I do not wish this to become a long running clashing of the intellectual ego with veiled insults which I fully admit to having taken part in thus far.
1) I am patronising only to those deserving of it, in this case, that means you.
2) As I said previously, but which you did not take on board, whether or not a fireman would actually “shoulder barge” a door is irrelevant. It’s simply the chosen metaphor for the completely obvious point to do with competence that you are determined to ignore for reasons of your own.
3) The physical test is indeed a pass or fail situation. And when sufficient women fail, the test is made easier. Those women that fail are then invited to re-test using the lower standard (previously a failing standard). They then ‘pass’ and become firefighters. What I’m describing is not rocket science. The brigade is relatively unconcerned with litigation from men compared with its abject fear of litigation by women, and for good reason.
4) What I said in the Pay Gap stands: women don’t do the dangerous jobs. As anyone would understand, who was not so intent on being argumentative, this does not mean that women never do dangerous work, it means that certain dangerous and difficult work will always need to be done by men because the women in the Watch can’t do it. The example provided by the fireman explains this.
5) There are men in the fire brigade who shouldn’t be in the job. They are there because of the lower standards put in place in the pursuit of women. However, men are not under discussion here, women are. Try to focus. Any woman who is as strong as an “ox” is similarly not under discussion. Obviously.
6) “All women just want to sit around checking on their nails”. You said all women, I did not. People will always take what they are inclined to take from these films. You misrepresent the films with your skewed judgement, but they are your errors and your issues.
7) I appreciate the 1-on-1 training info.
Your female friend, whom you say is not up to the job, further illustrates the points made in the article and the film. Yet, you will say nothing about it. You will do nothing about it. And then you come here and want to explain how I’m so wrong in what I say and how I even fuel Feminism.
You seem to me to be too close to your job to see the wood-for-the-trees as concerns the argument presented here. You are a part of the overall problem I address in many areas to do with Equality. It’s the male condition and I encounter it from men, over and over again. You want to point out some irrelevant operational fallacy and as many other non-issues as you can throw, and then cap it all off with “I am supportive of your work here but…”
Your kind of support I can do without.
But weedy guys are still guys and ox-shaped women are still women. Men have superior spatial awareness and the aggressive hunter/warrior drive to fight through the unfriendly elements. Look at 50000 years of human history if you don’t believe the video.
Women should NOT be allowed to fight fires. Or, alternatively, they could be given a more back-seat role that pays less.
Women are not men and men are not women. There’s a reason there are two different words for them.
The problem it is not women doing a certain job, I don’t care what race, religion,sex etc a person is, but if this condition is going to waste time of productivity due to a pathetic performance, Is like the muslin workers (which I suppose are all men or the majority is)who were praying during work time, they din’t get fired because they are muslin they got fired for being praying during work.
It is the same with women, there is not not-women-allowed signal in front of every fire station, police etc, they can try but if your performance is a failure due to your condition (being physical weaker) don’t come crying discrimination, not every men who try the physical test qualify and these men don’t come crying discrimination they know they have to do it better.
You are suppose to deal with people’s lives and you can’t take any chance to fail when you knew you could avoid it keeping the standard equal.
MRAs are not saying women shouldn’t be X or Y we are saying “if women are so capable as men let them do it just as men and be in the same position”
Low standard
Women are hired
Women can’t do it like men
Women are keep out of danger
Women get paid the same like men
Woman get promotion like men
Women get the more attention from media
Women are better that men
That is what sell us. And many people believe it.
Lawyers and courts are a big business, women know they can sue everybody if they are not as good or at least “looked pathetic”
http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/fire/
http://mrafront.blogspot.com/2011/10/womans-gotta-know-her-limitations.html
Hi mwm! do you know why we (in Almaty,kazakhstan) have women in fire brigade? Because there was once a woman who cried ‘napadenie’ or “assault” when two firemen lifted and carried her out of the burning house. She said they ‘touched her innappropiately’ and had many different ways to ‘lift’ her and not in ‘that way’. So lame! thus we have women in fire brigade from that day, who are always surrounded by men helping her. Those two firemen were fined and stopped recieving bonuses for 6 months…Height of sickness!
Women are not suitable for this job, other thing is women who are trying to do male gender specific jobs with male clothing are female transsexuals. They have no capabilities like men.
Agree 100%.
MWM…I wouldn’t personally believe a person pressing keys in response to you is necessarily a so-called fireman.
It’s easy to reply to you in such a manner; but I suspect it’s also possible it may be a female with such knowledge. Maybe even a feminist?
I’m sure you may have taken that into consideration, and I congratulate you on your stance and reluctance to back down on something you firmly believe in.
“Never give in–never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy”
Sir Winston Churchill…Speech, 1941, Harrow School
Cheers, Blaise. It’s worth dealing with these people sometimes, but I try not to make a habit of it.
@Blaise: I was thinking the same thing. Just saying he (she) was a fireman to prove his point “on da interweb”.
Or maybe he (she?) has a Little Precious Princess daughter who he would like to “masculinize” by having her becoming a “firefighter”.
Unfortunately there are many males (manginas) who when they have a daughter, they all get their panties moisted and raise her like a tomboy.
Hi mwm, this article covers the same points you made in your vid. Is there a reason for reformating the points as a blog article beside the vid? Vids are better media, they’re easier to take in, more people watch them.
And I agree with you over chris ( the feminist fireman ) btw.
Oh, maybe it was worth it to add the punchline ” no matter who it kills “.
I wrote the article, made the clip and then decided to put the clip on YT separately as well. It’s just the way it went. I agree that vids can be better, but not always. I am better at vids than writing, but I still like to do both.
Here in the U.S. the physical tests for fire fighters has been lowered 3 times via lawsuits (that I know of) and some tests have been eliminated entirely to allow women entry. The same is true of the military and police departments. There is a lunacy afoot in the so-called modern world that demands by force and brainwashing that we all play make-believe that women are as physically capable as men.
It’s not good and there’s no end in sight to this behaviour. It will kill people and undoubtedly already has.
Respectfully this video is clear and obvious as to what it is saying, Chris sounds to me like so many Men I meet, trained to auto-defend aspects of feminism and false equality. He is probably surrounded by a barrage of propaganda that puts down anyone who dares to question it. I see it all the time in Men, especially men who work in the civil service and such sectors where this sort of Feminist drivel is most highly concentrated.
If you think the fire brigade (to give it the proper, manly name it had when it was all male) is the worst of it you were dead wrong. I remember at the group presentation stage of my application to join the Navy they made absolutely no bones about it. They put two lists up on the projector, on the left you had the physical standards (how many push-up in a minute, distance run in under what time and carrying what weight) for men and on the right the lower physical standards for women. There it was in black and white, and nobody seemed to see anything wrong with this.
It just shows how good the conditioning has been doesn’t it Malestrom…
Men would largely agree that women are on the whole are not as physically strong…pretty much a given. Therefore nothing immediately seems wrong to them with the list. It’s only when you factor in the wages that they want the same etc…etc, that things become clear that women aren’t competing fairly.
Amazing how blatant they were with it though…although I suspect that’s half the trick, especially when you think how blatant feminists tend to be with their lies.
@blaise agree with you!
Actually my first thoughts werent on the wages, that is not the primary problem. My first thought was ”so when I’m stationed on a ship that gets hit by a missile, and there’s dead bodies everywhere, and people are running around trying to put out fires, restore key systems, and fire back at the enemy, there’s going to be a portion of the crew who are are weaker and slower, and whose presence detracts from the overall combat efficiency of the ship, but who are there to make things look good to those who are obsessed with equality, endangering everybody of the ship including me”.
That is the real problem, just as the maestro says, incompetent women will and almost certainly already have directly contributed to the deaths of their male colleagues by their incompetence. Weaklings have no place in the fire brigade, the police force, on a warship or in any of the armed forces.
I didn’t think your first thoughts would automatically be on wages which is why I added etc…etc, therefore, covering all the other reasons we could think of.
I’ve never served on a ship, although I can relate to your concerns. I work in the building industry, which is another area that the females tend to shy away from…more so than your area of expertise.
The only female I’ve ever seen getting involved in the building arena was a painter; being involved outside commercial building, and concentrating on offering her services to women.
Surprise, surprise!
They will NEVER send women into these jobs.
But they WILL go on suggesting that women are involved in these operations and that they perform them as well as men. They will do it through innuendo without actually stating it, just to avoid making a technically false statement.
How come there’s no female on NFL, NBA or the NHL ?
Simply because only the BEST of the BEST make it.
But apparently for jobs that are much more important than entertainment sports -like the firefighters, where human lives are at stake- the standards are lowered so that you can have people (females) that would’ve not been able to “make the cut” if it wasnt for double-standards and affirmative actions.
The drive to simbolically destroy the Male Identity is so strong and powerful in the West, that our Rulers are perfectly fine in lowering down the quality of some important istitutions, like the firemen, just to create this virtual reality that everyone must pretend to believe about females being “equal” or “strong as” men.
This is the FeMatrix: they want us to believe their lies, and defend them too.
I think I have said this before here on this site, but my uncle left the police force solely because he hated being stuck with female partners that were not expected to carry their own weight. Whenever there was a violent criminal it was totally up to him to take the risks while she just sat back, the job became a lot more dangerous.
MWM, I agree with most of what you say, but I don’t know where your getting this idea that small petite women are firefighters. You can’t become a firefighter unless you’re physically able, man or woman. There is a law about it. I’ve never seen a woman firefighter in my life. Maybe it’s just where I live? (I live in Northern California)
I have followed MWM’s work for about a year and a half, and I have never heard him say this nor even give that impression. A woman need not be “petite” to be vastly physically inferior to an average healthy man.
I don’t think you appreciate just how stronger men are than women. It’s okay, most women aren’t. They’ve never been handled roughly by a man and so only have Hollywood to go by. If you agree with MWM’s work, then you are aware of this.
The current political structures of the humans of planet Earth are there are tens of thousands of legal jurisdictions, each with their own power to create laws/codes/regulations that apply within them.
In the US, fire departments are run by counties and towns/cities. There are currently 3,143 counties in the Union, each with their own set of operating codes.
Saying there is at least one (unspecified and unsourced) law requiring one set of physical requirements for both men and women ignores literal thousands of places that law would not apply — and that’s only counting the US, not the UK where MWM lives.
You continue your “I’m the center of the Universe” way of thinking by foolishly believing that this will impress us. Get a grip. Of course it’s because of where you live that you can only have a limited view of the bigger, wider world.
Also, just because you haven’t seen any female firemen pass your divine line of sight doesn’t mean your county doesn’t employ any women in the fire service.
It is my regret to say that your post didn’t make even one valid point.
And I know you were addressing MWM, and I don’t mean to be rude to you or him, but I rarely feel compelled to leave comments and in this unusual case, I felt that I must.
Come on guys, let’s focus on what these superior and more intelligent women are always telling us hopeless and dumb men are really the most important things. Which is that those women look just so damned cute in their uniforms. Smart, colourful and neat! I think it is wonderful the way they can show men how to do the job while still maintaining their chic style, and all with such winning smiles on their faces. Are women not the most amazing creatures? And don’t you just love the way those chunky helmets allow them to keep their hair in place so that after an exhausting day’s work these brilliant females will still look good in any social setting?
In North Carolina, battery by a man against a woman is a more serious crime with more severe punishment than any other kind of battery. Worse than man against man, woman against woman, or woman against man. The justification for the law is that men are stronger than women. If a 25-year old female Olympic weight lifting champion batters a 95-year old male dwarf in a wheelchair, it is not a serious crime in NC because the male is stronger than the female and should therefore be able to take whatever abuse she dishes out. However, it is illegal in North Carolina to hire men in preference to women because men are stronger.
Gotta love equality.
I wrote something related to this, I have pictures you can use if you want to, feel free
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What a load of bollocks. The woman in the video – GIVE HER AN AX? Who breaks the door down like that in his day and age? There are tools for that job that both men and women use. It takes two firefighters to o into a building – one can carry and one hold the hose or both can carry as a team. Women are better at communications and radio work, first aid and caring – who would you rather look up at when trapped in a car? And peripheral vision, which makes them better at search and rescue and in bushfire scenarios to detect a fire front. women are also good at multi-tasking which makes them good at decision making in a crisis. You have no idea what you’re talking about. There are plenty of females in the CFA. When towns are threatened then no one cared what your gender is, they’re just happy someone is there to help, to do anything and try rather than sit back and watch. I can hold a hose for over two hours, I use Breathing Apparatus, I am wildfire qualified, Hazmat qualified, I can use the pumps, and you are forgetting one important thing – my brigade is half men and half women – 15 people in a town of 2000 who have the guts to do it – we work as a TEAM – everyone contributes their strengths to make it a strong team. So sick of the neanderthalic outmoded thinking that thinks brute force is the only important factor in firefighting
Most comments that start like that are usually composed of the same material.
No, none of these areas of work are done better by women. That might be an uncomfortable reality for you to deal with, but there it is. What you are citing here is Feminist-invention to make women feel better when compared with men in the world of work.
To be clear, there is likely nothing whatsoever in the workplace, that women could be proven to do better than men (see Equal Opportunities). As a side note, your “peripheral vision” invention is probably the funniest on the list.
I would rather look up to the man who could help me and not the woman who could not.
I would rather look up to a competent person, not someone who is there due to a lowered standard of entry and an affirmative action pass. That competent person may possibly be female, but is much more likely to be male.
People would care very much if lives or property were needlessly lost because Kathy or Sheila lacked the full range of attributes necessary to do the job. It’s great that some women want to do this work, just let them pass muster as men do.
And so can the man next to you. The difference is that, in general, when your abilities peak, his keep going. It is that difference, which could determine whether someone lives or dies.
The men on the “team” will end up doing the hardest and typically most dangerous work that the women on the “team” can’t do. Women contribute what they can, but men simply contribute more and will therefore pay the price in injury and sometimes death.
There are indeed, several important factors in firefighting and strength on the front line is a vital one. The only people who seek to deny this, are people who lack that strength. That’s why you have talked about other attributes that women apparently bring to the fire service (multi-tasking,
X-rayperipheral vision, a pretty face to look up at, etc). You are well aware of the glaring problems presented by relatively weak females. Problems that men working alongside them have to deal with.Competence to do a job well, will never be “outmoded” no matter how many incompetent women call themselves “firefighters”.
“Women are better at communications and radio work”
Really? In that case what are your views about Guglielmo Marconi?..Its the men who build scientific stuffs and women like you talk shit on.
I would like to see a woman doing this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC_r8Pr0GHQ
It’s very disturbing to me the disdain, ungratefulness and contemptuousness with which feminists treat men–the builders of civilizations everywhere. The discoverers, creators, and inventors of 97% of all the things that make us stand out as a species. It greatly disturbs me the triviality with which feminists treat the brave actions of men–like these FIREMEN who unselfishly place their own lives in great peril attempting to save the lives of others. Only to be the object of scornful diatribe of misandrists who have invented nothing, discover nothing, and created nothing, have never lifted as much as a finger to save anyone. You want true equality? Then you have to be able to do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC_r8Pr0GHQ
Readers will be interested to know The daily mail in 2010 reported that Katie Reid a 5’1 firewoman sued her employers for sex discrimination. Her employers said her inability to do the job had caused injury to a male colleague. The case was settled and the terms of the settlement not published.
This year the mail reported a British woman won a firefighters competition but failed to point out she was only competing against women and did ask whether she was as strong as her male colleagues.