The great Erin Pizzey, author and highly regarded domestic violence expert (who opened the worlds first DV shelter) gives her opinions on the start of the women’s movement.
It wasn’t a grass roots movement by women at all…
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Feminism is a top-down organised and funded movement. We all know how Gloria Steinem was funded and otherwise supported by the CIA.
Aaron Russo who was befriended with Nicholas Rockefeller cites him saying they funded feminism in order to be able to tax the entire population and to replace the family unit by the state: http://youtu.be/iSKBY9MX4ow
This of course does not come to feminist’s defence, it just explains how feminism could rise this fast and effectively.
There’s no going back to traditional roles, which is the only good thing feminism did. If the damage can be corrected, the disposability of men will find an end too, being one of the sexual models that enabled feminism.
If the monstrosity named feminism can’t be defeated, it will lead to a global police state. (I don’t think women will then have decadent issues like being annoyed how it’s still not fully socially accepted to walk around like a whore and organise public circlejerks like slutwalks. lol)
The only solution to combat feminism is either a societal collapse which will merely replace it with real problems for once, or to change the sexual roles, i.e. the rise of the zeta male. I fully stand behind the school of Paul Elam and am surprised how there are so much unconscious men who combat the men’s movement, defending their pussycentrism even when there are no women around. However I gotta be honest about this, not so long ago I was a full blown mangina, too. But I always felt that there’s something wrong. I wonder if I would have been more open than my consexuals to what an MRA would have told me if I met one back then. After all I seeked the MRM and found the great work of Paul Elam, yours, Harry and the likes which awakened me, and I’m very thankful for that. While I’m still the same person, it completely changed me.
The CIA funded The American feminism? Gosh.. you must be kidding me.Damn I never knew that! Good heavens,the KGB stopped it from rising back then here.
I was a bit unclear in my comment. It wasn’t solely the CIA (which is an organ of the powerful and rich anyways). It was funded and supported by all those who benefit from it. The bankers did a huge chunk, their interest is obvious, and then of course all the politicians and officials who sold themselves, their people and their country for votes. It became an industry very fast (http://www.manwomanmyth.com/video/feminism/winners-of-feminism/), and as manwomanmyth said here: http://www.manwomanmyth.com/video/domestic-violence/1-in-4-women/ the foremost goal of every organism (biological or economical) is survival and growth. They crave to nurture the victim complex of women to such an extent that they create problems that don’t exist in order to fund money, or votes for that matter.
It makes sense without believing in conspiracy theories.
There is an alternative to Paul Elam that I think you ought to consider, because, invariably, he’s taking the very wrong approach to this situation. Indeed, I’d say that he and others are doing precisely what Leftists want.
For instance, both you and he believes that men and women won’t go back to traditional roles. I presume also that you believe that Marriage is forever broken. However, if as we assert that women in the west have never been oppressed, then the notion of traditional roles is not oppressive. Then we have to consider why we have them in the first place.
Paul recently railed against men who he believes undermines the Men’s Right’s Movement in order to get into women’s pants. Pick-up Artists and “gamers” as he calls them, and the like. When I heard this rant on A Voice For Men, it was eerily just like a Feminist rant against women who choose the traditional roles!
Every movement has their radicals, and clearly Paul is one of them. He fails to see the primary problem, which isn’t Feminism in and of itself. Because people are going to behave according to the environment they’re given. They adapt to the dynamics presented. And the dynamic is far greater than simple male and female relationships. It goes far beyond that.
All of society has been subverted. There are five pillars to any society, each of them with a specific role to play, and each are as important as the other. They are: Family, Market, Government, Media/Education, and Religion. Undermine any of these pillars, and in order for society to remain stable and productive one or more of the others have to adapt to take up the slack.
In Western Societies, three primary pillars have been under attack: Family, Religion, and the Market. The other two, Government and Media/Education, have basically gone along for the ride. Secularism has gone way too far, to the point that it has undermined all five pillars, and you have what you see right now: The erosion of the family, the corruption of the Market, the mitigation of religions – particularly Christianity – in public and private life, and corrupting of schools, and the ever encroaching sizes of governments not so much to take up the slack, but to destroy or control all of these pillars for its own power.
This is a general summary of the problem, but there you have it.
Marriage isn’t broken; we’re broken. Both men and women. We’ve abrogated our own personal responsibilities for the quick, the easy, the expedient. We’re oversexualized, over-stimulated, constantly distracted by the tediums of life that we do not recognize their value – that it forces us to get off our asses and go to work to make our own lives better. Paul and others who totally subscribe to him would ignore the whole spectrum of the problem, and concentrate on the Men’s Right’s aspect as though that’s all that needs to be done. He’s playing right into the Leftist playbook.
Because how Subversion works is to divide people in all manners of ways, in any category that can fit, so that we do not ever get together and hash out our differences, and uniting. Paul wants men never to get married, and while I agree that under the circumstances we face today marriage is not advisable, at the same time we have to fix ourselves if we are to save society on the whole.
We have to be leaders. Men are leaders by default. It’s not a question of Alpha or Beta or whatever (the concept of which is absolute garbage anyway), but a question of capability, confidence, and decisiveness. Any man can become an Alpha Male, and any Alpha Male can defer to anyone for any reason. Personality is malleable. We are not locked into any single personality. We can change.
We must change. We must give women a reason not just to marry us, but to follow and support us. We must encapsulate all five pillars at the individual level, and be willing to bear the burden of responsibility. Women desire us to. They want kings, not subservient man-boys. And they certainly don’t want the Zeta Male.
Well, the first thing is that I suggest you post this on AVfM for Paul Elam to respond directly. I certainly can’t speak for him. Personally, I support him and the work he’s doing at AVfM and Register-her. It’s good and it’s a damned good thing it’s good, because there are too few other voices and campaigns out there.
I also think that the Zeta Male is not just desirable, but also, inevitable. It’s not a ‘plan’, or a design that men might choose. It’s action and reaction. Adaption to external stimuli. Nature at it’s finest. And this coming from me, married to a woman whom I decided to marry after becoming an MRA. And she decided to marry me in full knowledge of my viewpoints. I may be sitting relatively safely on high-ground, but there aren’t many with me. The problems are clear.
The point is that it no longer matters what women want from men, or need, or desire or whatever. Those days are gone. Society as we knew it, is gone. The society that got us here, is gone.
Just look at this video if you have 10 minutes. Listen to the women speaking. There is a trio of plain backward and ignorant women. There are a few other women, more intelligent but just as ignorant. (Don’t get me wrong, almost as much ignorance resides in men.)
They all have the same thing in common: they walk around every day with a set of unfounded beliefs about men and society and women’s oppression that is so wrong-headed, it defies belief.
And these women represent virtually all women. They almost all believe some version of the myth of women’s oppression, to some extent. And they’ll fight you if you dare attempt to take that imagined victimhood away from them, specially with something so undesirable as the truth.
These women are not interested in believing the truth because the status of righteous, outraged and permanent victim suits them. They like believing the lie. Do you realise what this means? Do you see how insurmountable the problem has become?
And yet, men are supposed to have meaningful relationships with these same women and form families that can last. How is it possible for a man to form a strong family when his wife believes that she is part of an oppressed group and who also believes that her husband is one of the oppressors?
The lie has been delivered to women (with men admittedly sitting by and watching it happen) and women have accepted the lie.
That is where we are.
I simply can’t see how the malfunctioning disaster-area that is Western culture can continue on it’s current course. Perhaps a culture that is not Western will take over simply to fill the vacuum. Regardless, I think the end result of this unsustainable dynamic is inexorable, is negative, will probably be dramatic and it won’t be pretty.
I may be rambling, but to put it simply, there is no way for men to “change” to fix the situation because our current situation of institutionalised misandry is not brought about by deficiencies in men. It’s brought about by deficiencies in our understanding of people, deliberate misinformation and pernicious exploitation of human (principally female) psychology. And other crap as well.
There is no way for men to simply ‘man-up’ and turn things around.
All of that said, I am in some ways, in agreement with you. We have been subverted. Men have been shamed into behaving against their nature. We need to trust each other again.
And women probably don’t want the zeta male. But he doesn’t want her either. Let the chips fall where they may.
MWM, I was just wondering if you’ve ever heard of Dick Masterson and what you think of his beliefs?
Not come across him. Please let me know who he is and why my opinion of his beliefs is important.
Dick masterson is a satirical comedian who has wrote a variety of books such as ‘Men are better than women’ some of his work is fairly funny, some interesting facts in his books also.
He is incredibly chauvinistic, to the point were I assume he is intentionally trying to offend or doing so for comedy value. ‘All women are whores’
Essentially he shouldn’t be taken seriously, hes an equal opportunity troll.
Thanks for the info.
I assume he’s well known, so I wonder why Eileen is asking me about him? I’ll see what she says.
Dick Masterson is an out-and-out misogynist and does not try to hide the fact.
But why should he? He dares to speak the truth. I actually find him rib-breakingly funny. He gives me a sense of optimism that things might be moving in the right direction.
In my opinion, he is only talking about the spoilt modern woman. (Erin Pizzey — whom I respect as much as our Men’s Movement founding fathers — is incredibly rare in this day and age.)
Dick Masterson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0xoKiH8JJM
I find Bill Burr to be on the money…
A few links to enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imZ52DHBtug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LRcmg9mxRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnOg01N1u3w
Now that’s totally the best!
Can’t get enough of Bill Burr. He’s great.
As for Dick Masterson, he’s definitely funny, definitely play-acting, and definitely useful in the debate.
I think Dick Masterson is just offering the world an alternative to mainstream thought (that being feminism). I believe he has a sincere desire to end feminsim but just does it a different way to the way we do. He has grabbed a lot of media attention and even went on Dr Phil, so he’s doing pretty well.
Sorry for the slow reply, but for some reason I couldn’t access this website over the weekend. I’m not sure why but it seems to be working fine now. Anyways, people seemed to have answered your question. He’s an extreme chauvinist. Although I could never really tell if he was trolling or if he actually believed what he was saying, and I’m still not sure. Either way he is quite funny at times and is not to be taken completely seriously. I was just curious on your opinion about him, that’s why I asked.
I can’t believe that she had to live 15 years under the radar…wow!
That is some heavy doo dah. Kind of gives you an insight into the mindset of a radical feminist.
Watch this excellent video my friends.
Erin Pizzey was interviewed on Sky News in 2010 following (British home Secretary) Theresa May’s proposal to exclude men from their own homes merely on an accusation of violence from their wife or other domestic partner.
Erin is interviewed here by some biased bitch from Sky News, who makes a fool of herself with her persistently dumb questions.
Erin also has one or two disturbing things to say about the radical feminist organization the National Federation of Women’s Aid.
The interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kccm4KbQtrU
Have seen that. Erin is so great simply because she speaks the truth, and that’s a rarity in these times.
The very telling thing though, is that that interview should have sparked off huge interest in the other, never-seen, side of DV and feminism. There should have been immediate follow-up to it, not only on Sky News, but on other channels as well.
But nothing.
It’s all hush. They KNOW they’re lying.
Thanks Brussels Lout…
I hadn’t seen this video and it’s priceless! It’s a shame the newsreader constantly tried to talk over Erin. However, it was great to see this in the mainstream; although, as you mention, it is somewhat of a rarity to see.
I have almost given up with television altogether. It makes my blood boil when it’s almost a 24-7 woman’s show. You have to be really picky about the channels you choose…even then, it’s always infected with advertisement that’s mainly for women.
I can’t even watch my motorcycle racing without some bimbo being included to appease women; it’s a complete joke!
You have got to check this out. This man had his sperm stolen and the woman who stole it used it at a fertility clinic, then had twins and is currently suing him for child support. Copy and paste the link into your address bar.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065293/New-father-Joe-Pressil-sues-fertility-clinic-girlfriend-stole-sperm-got-pregnant-gave-birth-twins-IVF.html