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Take that LoPan!
“How much discipline a man has… when he has a higher purpose in life..” (MWM).
Very true, MWM. And also precisely what feminists want to separate men from
kind of off topic but oh dear everyone check out this article
http://listverse.com/2012/12/16/10-ways-our-great-grandparents-screwed-over-women/
feel free to comment…feminists have already published a raft of lies in the article and the comments.
Let’s see here:
#10: This article tries to convince this was an intentional attack on women. It was just the state of medical science at the time. Perhaps male doctors shouldnt attend deliveries at all, like… back in the caveman days… when women died en masse during child birth. Let’s get a little perspective here. This is like saying guys in the civil war who died from infection after having their leg sawed off were being oppressed by men. Bogus.
#9: Again, this was just the state of psychology at the time, not a designed attack on women. Men were lobotimized for being homosexual. But let’s just focus on how this affected women.
#8: So the “property” that the man worked for every day by slaving at his physically strenuous and most likely dangerous job didn’t belong to her? And in what ways did men abuse a woman’s belonging? Men took care of and provided for women, across the board. The deviant behavior of a few sadistic husbands should not be used as a characteristic way husbands treated their wives.
#6: I hate cases like this. By stating an inadequacy with the law, we label all husbands abusers. So if it was legal to beat your wife, all men must have done this right? Give me a break.
#3: “Lower class women who had to support themselves and/or children and other family members were limited mostly to factories or sweatshops, domestic service, home industries like shirt sewing or paper flower making” Oh woe is me. I highly doubt the women were clamoring at the sewage workers jobs or coal miner jobs. Nope men took the brunt of those tasks. Again, here we focus on how lower class women “suffered” but say nothing of the lower class men, who a endured much worse fate.
#2: MWM does an adequate job covering this off in his Equality video series.
The point is, both men AND women have suffered throughout history. Each in sometimes different ways. I hate how we tend to focus only on the women’s suffering and also generalise that while abhorrent behaviour MAY have been acceptable before laws were made against it, does not mean every single man was out taking advantage of it.
Our discipline is our freedom.
I wonder about the whole concept of MGTOW often..
Seems like men running away and leaving the best ground to the enemies much of the time..
Or it seems like men just doing whatever suits them as individuals and to hell with everyone else.. (Which paradoxically usually feeds the enemy quite well and doesn’t worry them one little bit that these men are not breeding, or really disturbing the feminists..)
But there are some good ways of doing the “MGTOW” that DO damage the enemy and weaken them..
One nice example of good MGTOW ideas in line with the films concept..
I don’t watch many films but was impressed when I watched the new Bond Film and he seemed to be “rescuing” some female..
But he didnt bat an eyelid or give a shit when the enemy shot her..
Job to do..
I’ve never really looked to define MGTOW, but for me, it’s about having more than one priority in life and also understanding that water flows downhill.
Admirable as many of the attitudes displayed in the video are, let’s face what I feel is a general observation of gender interaction – such behaviour is quite uncharacteristic of males where sex with an attractive woman is a possibility.
Now, I’m not saying therefore it should be accepted (the characteristic male attitude), far from it. But to foster the male human worth, there needs to be development of male consciousness. Male consciousness is my term for what many MRA’s have hit on whenever they point out things like women primarily see themselves as women first above all other identities, whilst men see all other identities first and themselves as males last.
However, the subject of male consciousness is not something I can easily detail here, but I think the place to first raise it initially is where schoolboys can be influenced. Actually, on this matter and some others, I think I’ll send you an email instead.
The video you recently posted on you tube without any voice-over but showing positive images of male accomplishments and various admirable men is a step in this direction I think. (The video fronted by that picture of steel fabricators sitting on a beam high up on a construction site – from your hall way, I believe)
When I saw it, it triggered a number of ideas I’ve been pondering on developing this theme further. Ideas like there is no apparent aspect I would refer to as male heritage in our culture. Because we don’t primarily identify ourselves as males, we do not generally perceive such a concept as male heritage. Considering how many male characteristics are responsible for building this world to the levels of health, wealth and security we benefit from today, male heritage is a huge concept waiting to be recognised on mass.
Ultimately, I feel with the effective promotion of male heritage and male consciousness, the behaviour shown in your MGTOW on film video may have a chance of not being so uncharacteristic as they are today.
Anyway, I’ll write further in an email.
Looking forward to it.
MGTOW is not MGHOW.. MGTOW sounds like a social movement thing.. not Man Going HIS own way..
So, it aught to be better defined, perhaps, and the various definitions suggested, analysed for validity..
How much it “works” in its various forms in the cause for men (against the femistatist enemies) should also be looked into..
Interesting idea you were speaking about TFB.. Reminds me in some way of the earliest MRA type groups..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythopoetic_men's_movement
I think the mens movement seems to be incapable of effective activism, (or has shown this over the last few years as interest has plummetted, of course, the main activist movement has been the f4j related fathers groups, now effectively dead..)
But men can and should be promoting their manhoods as it where, and socialising in a good and manly way.. I see this as the new more pragmatic way forward for all men, not just the highly strung and somewhat crazy activism-freaks..
I have had many a good evening round the fire with the homies and thoroughly recommend it..
Not sure it was enhanced by the missus keep popping out with her plates of cheesey treats or whatever..
But for sure, men need to stop defining their lives from the perspectives that women and feminised society put down as templates for them..
Sadly, the young men I know personally seem to be SCARED to do that, especially in the aftermath of the failures of groups like F4J to do anything at all good for men and fathers. Watching that group rise and fall taught these men that trying to fight like that was futile and self destructive..
Although it maybe that round about the age of 24 or so a man loses so much testosterone by associating with women his spirit dies with it..
And he only realises he has been “shafted” years later, typically in his 30′s when his chosen “owner” gets bored of her “neutured male housepet”.. Or he realises that the fox has turned into a dog..
The mens movement needs to get its balls back.. For sure!
The fathers movement has shown how a campaign based on tearing your own balls off and crying doesnt work, even after 3 decades plus of clueless whining for “eek quality”..
Not quite Drex,
What I’ve relayed to you privately about male consciousness and heritage, is less about mythopoetic rituals and male spiritualism, and more about activism.
Talk to me if there’s any confusion about this, but not here.
No confusion TFB.. Just that as Ivor Catt used to say ” I chuckle whenever the next generation of mens activists every 4 years has the same “eureka” moment about the same thing..”..
I was just thinking what first came to mind as being an early “MRM” precursors way to deal with what was a reaction then to some assumed loss of male identity of men..
Whether men gather to explore each others inner chasms (as it were..) or make plans for activism.. They still have to actually gather and recognise their common good and worth as men..
As ever, I look forward to the hopeful next stage, if the cause for men can ever get its shaz together and stop infighting to the delight of the enemies!
This is a Hindi movie, but I believe it fits the bill: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1926313/
Personally I think MGTOW is the only way to go under the circumstances. I am absolutely incapable of grasping that there is any viable alternative whatsoever.
I don’t feel like I’m running away from anything or betraying anyone. It’s certainly not a case of thinking fuck everyone else, far from it. It’s a matter of being true to your princples. That’s why I find the perspectives here fascinating because it’s inconceivable to me that there is any other way to go. It’s like making a statement with your lifestyle, but each to their own.
But what does MGTOW mean to the average chap? Working hard and spending your cash on your own pleasures?
You think the feminists mind that?
After all, your tax, they need!
50% of your hard earned… Feeding the beast!
Of course, there are other ways..
But just saying “MGTOW is the way”..
Is not enough.. No way..
I meant it strictly from my point of view, I’m not speaking on anyone else’s behalf. I’m not saying there aren’t other ways, I just don’t know what they are.
You’re looking at the big picture. I just meant it’s the way for ME because I sure as hell can’t for the life of me see any other options. I’m not trying to change the world at this point. I’m just trying to gather whatever frayed ends of sanity I have left.
Now I’m getting my life back I’m in a position to think in terms of activism and looking at the overall scenario. You’re not much use as an activist when you’re going round the bend. Maybe it’s like men voting with our feet. If enough of us go our own way it might affect society generally if not femenists directly.
That is right keevo.. I have yet to meet an activist who has not gone round the bend and then slightlty back again though..
MGTOW will affect society and feminists..
But beware that it doesnt BENEFIT the femistatists if you want to buck the system..
It can be a convoluted maze knowing how to be active in the right way..
But so many things are about money..
So folks need to think of that, the “fuel source” of femistatism is TAX REVENUES..
Don’t be harvested like a mancrop!
Don’t omit this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZYQ7srYSAM&list=PL9B1BE206B964B6EA&feature=player_detailpage#t=322s
I say, if you want good MGTOW films to see, look at any garden variety samurai films.