The Snappy Comeback

By
manwomanmyth
– October 18, 2011      Comments: 46Posted in: Men's Rights Movement

I think that one of the items on the men’s movement agenda is the prescription for the snappy comeback – the succinct, appropriate, easily-memorable, easily delivered response to the mighty river of Feminist misinformation so prevalent out there.

The important thing to my mind in countering the typical Feminist soundbite is to not dwell to much on the need to cite precise sources ad nauseum for every assertion you make. That’s not what’s required in debate like this.

Why? Because you’re not actually having a debate when you deal with a Feminist and/or Feminist misinformation. Instead, you’re dealing with assumed truth, factoids and emotional rhetoric; repeated lies that have undeservedly acquired the hallmark of truth.

You are dealing with people who think they know the story of men and women and think they know what Feminism stands for. They think they know that:

  • 1 in 4 women is beaten by a man
  • 1 in 4 women is raped by a man
  • 1 in 4 women is sexually harassed by a man
  • 1 in 4 women is decapitated by a man
  • 1 in 4 women suffers all of the above
  • 1 in 4 women suffers all of the above and then some
  • 1 in 4 women is [insert some kind of abuse by a man here]

People are so convinced that they know this stuff that they long ago stopped questioning themselves about what they believe, if they ever did. So, being a Feminist is like preaching to the choir and the rules of rational debate don’t apply, what with all the head-nodding and Amens going on. No feminist makes a citation when she says “1 in 4 women are raped” or one of the other lies, she just says it and relies on the cultural belief in male evil to carry it through.

This means that the backup for your case does not need to come in the form of a citation, rather, it needs to come in the form of calmness under pressure and like-for-like verbal ammunition.

What you do need to know is that what you say is true, but you don’t need the page number and year of a specific report. Leave that for websites you can point to and other resources as a secondary force. It’s the immediate responses that we’re discussing here.

Personally, I’m not too concerned about the snappy comeback (and don’t profess to be good at it, either). I like to focus on overall strategy rather than the many smaller battles that also occur, although all of it is important.

Dr F covered the idea of men increasing their competence in this area and I think that there’s a case to create a resource that focuses on short and on-point responses. There may already be such a thing and if so, that’s great and make sure to point it out. For now, these are a few of my own suggestions for dealing with Feminist BS and I welcome anyone to supply their own. I may soon put some of the questions and answers submitted up on its own page or in the Glossary.

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[FEM]: You have a problem with women / You hate women / You are a misogynist.

  1. No, I only have a problem with Feminists
  2. Love women, hate Feminism

[FEM]: If you are against Feminism, you are against women’s rights.

  1. That’s like saying “if you’re against the KKK you are against white people”

[FEM]: How can you compare Feminism to Nazism? / How stupid are you to suggest Feminism and Nazism are similar? (info)

  1. If the shoe fits…
  2. You’re right, there is one difference: Feminists wear heels and Nazis wear jackboots.

[FEM]: Not all Feminists are the same / Not all Feminists are like that. (info)

  1. No, they’re not all the same, but they’re all part of the same problem
  2. No, but they’re all on the same team
  3. Yes, but the Feminists that matter are all like that
  4. Maybe not, but I never found a Feminist, or cockroach, or any other pest that I liked
  5. Not all cockroaches are the same, either, but I still don’t want one in my house
  6. All live on the same street and turn a blind eye to the Ms Crazies living next door

[FEM]: Look it up in the dictionary: Feminism is about equal rights. (info)

Women want equal rights?

  1. Then why do no Feminists campaign for Selective Service for women?
  2. No, it’s about equal rights when it suits, and preferential treatment most of the time
  3. You’ve got to laugh at the dictionary definition of Feminism
  4. That’s like saying the KKK is about racial harmony
  5. No, the dictionary definition is a poor pretence. Feminism is about female supremacy.
  6. Feminism is about increasing female power. Indefinitely. Forever.
  7. It’s not about equality or equal rights, it’s about more and more for women no matter what. It never ends.
  8. Feminists never stop when equality is achieved, they always push for more for women
  9. But that’s not the reality. For example, women make up about 55% of University entrants. Why aren’t Feminists complaining about this inequality?
  10. The dictionary definition is a fantasy so that Feminists sleep easier at night
  11. If only that were true…
  12. Somebody ought to complain about that definition, it couldn’t be further from reality.
  13. Yeah, right. And if I see a woman eating a steak and she says, “I’m a vegetarian”, should I accept that too? (credit MRA)
  14. A person who eats meat can’t call themselves a vegetarian. (credit MRA)
  15. That’s like somebody eating a steak but still calling themselves a vegetarian. (credit MRA)
  16. That’s like saying to a woman who’s eating a steak:
    “Hey, I see you like steak”.
    And she says, “No, I’m vegetarian. Look it up in the dictionary.”
    You say, ” I know the definition of vegetarian, but you’re not it”.
    She says, “I’m a vegetarian no matter what I eat.” (credit MRA)
  17. That’s like saying to a woman who’s eating a steak:
    “Hey, I see you like steak”.
    And she says, “No, I’m vegetarian”.
    You say, “But how can you be vegetarian? You’re eating meat.”
    And she says, “Are you deaf? I’m vegetarian. Look it up in the dictionary.”
    You say, “Yes, I know the definition of vegetarian, but you’re not it”.
    She says, “I’m a vegetarian no matter what I eat.” (credit MRA)

[FEM]: Feminism was created by women.

  1. That’s like saying that pigs created the bacon industry. (info)

[FEM]: Feminism has been positive for women.

  1. Yeah, and the bacon industry has been positive for pigs

[FEM]: We needed Feminism.

  1. Yeah, like a hole in the head
  2. No-one ever needed a disease.

[FEM]: Feminism is not monolithic.

  1. No, but it may as well be
  2. Neither is a swarm of wasps

[FEM]: There are many different kinds of Feminism.

  1. There are also many different kinds of cancer


[FEM]: Those radical Feminists are a small minority, they are not representative, they are extreme. (info)

  1. Those women sold millions of books. that’s ‘representative’ of a lot of hatred

[FEM]: Not all women are like that. (info)

  1. Maybe, but too many are
  2. No, but enough of them are to make it Russian Roulette out there
  3. Great, now how do I spot the good ones?

[FEM]: 1 in 4 women is raped.

  1. And 1 in 4 women spreads false statistics
  2. Wow, that made-up stat is still making the rounds? You don’t buy that do you?
  3. You do know that the rape figures are only allegations not convictions for rape, right? (info)

[FEM]: We live in a rape culture.

  1. No, we live in a false rape culture.
  2. The only difference between a good, well-respected man and a ‘rapist’, is the lack of an accusation from a female.
  3. You’re right, boys have little protection from female rapists
  4. You’re right, our culture excuses female rapists
  5. That’s true, just recently yet another woman was let off lightly for raping a boy
  6. No, we live in a culture where rape is one of the worst crimes there is. If it’s committed by a man.
  7. No, we live in a culture where rapists are amongst the lowest of the low
  8. Well, maybe we do, because when women rape boys, it gets called an ‘affair’ (info)

[FEM]: 1 in 4 women is a victim of domestic violence.

  1. And 1 in 4 women spreads false statistics
  2. Really? And what’s the figure for men?
  3. 1 in 6 men came from that same study (Home Office study 191)
  4. 1 in 6 men came from the same study, but the whole business of DV is inflated for shock value
  5. Don’t believe the hype, domestic violence is even defined as shouting in those figures

[FEM]: 2 women a week die as a result of domestic violence.

  1. And 1 man a week is killed
  2. And 1 man a week is killed, plus 2 more commit suicide (source: Erin Pizzey)
  3. 80 men kill themselves every week, 350 women die of pneumonia every week, we need some perspective. (info)
  4. And about 3,500 babies are killed by their mothers in abortions every week, we need some perspective.  (applies to UK. US stats from CDC is 15,000 per week)

[FEM]: Almost all domestic violence is perpetrated by men. (info)

  1. Well that’s only true if you ignore domestic violence perpetrated by women
  2. No most domestic violence is perpetrated by women but it goes unreported
  3. No most domestic violence is perpetrated by women, but men and children don’t report it
  4. No, only most reported domestic violence  is done by men
  5. Most domestic violence against children is committed by women
  6. The domestic violence cycle stems from mothers violence against children, it generally all starts at her hands and that’s where the problem needs to be tackled
  7. Most domestic violence is caused and received by violence prone women. Look up Erin Pizzey.
  8. Well, Erin Pizzey started the world’s first women’s shelter and she disagrees with that (info)
  9. Erin Pizzey says that of the first 100 women she took into a domestic violence shelter, 62 of them were more violent than the men they left! (info)

[FEM]: Most serious domestic violence  is committed by men.

  1. Most serious domestic violence committed by women is strangely not classified as domestic violence
  2. Tell that the the men and children that are killed every week by women

[FEM]: Most child abuse is committed by men.

  1. No, most child abuse is committed by women

[FEM]: Most child sexual abuse is committed by men.

  1. Oh, yes that’s right, men abuse children whereas women just have affairs with them. (info)
  2. Most prosecuted sexual abuse is by men, most child sexual abuse by women either goes undetected, or else is called an “affair”. (info)

[FEM]: If women ruled, there would be no war.

  1. If women ruled, there would be no anything. (info)
  2. There’d still be war, they just wouldn’t be any good at it

[FEM]: A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

  1. I think you meant to say: “like a fish needs water”, in which case I agree
  2. You were doing great when you said: “a woman needs a man”, but it was downhill from there
  3. Please! If it wasn’t for men, women would be living in caves and wondering if their asses looked big in a grass skirt
  4. Wow, so it’s true: women like you do exist!
  5. Women wouldn’t even know what a ‘bicycle’ was if not for men
  6. You keep telling yourself that honey. Here, open this pickle jar, would you?
  7. A man needs a woman like a bank needs a robbery. (credit Fidel)
  8. A man needs a woman like a cheetah needs Nike’s. (credit Blaise)


[FEM]: Deadbeat dads are on the increase.

  1. Maybe, but they’ll never catch up with irresponsible mothers
  2. You’ve got to wonder why mothers make such poor choices
  3. You’ve got to wonder why mothers choose men who don’t want to be fathers. I mean if you were a bank, would you give a loan to someone who said they didn’t want to pay you back?
  4. It’s incredible. Man says “I don’t want kids”. Woman gets pregnant anyway. And we’re still surprised at the result.
  5. You’ve got to wonder about this. I mean, paternity fraud is a major cause of family breakdown, but when the man finds out and leaves, all we do is blame the dads!

[FEM]: A man should keep it zipped if he doesn’t want kids / He took the risk, he should pay the price / Well, if he didn’t want a child then he should have kept his pants on. (info)

  1. And women should keep their legs closed if they don’t want kids, not get abortions
  2. I agree, and if we ban abortion, we’ll have real equality in reproduction
  3. A woman shouldn’t have kids with a man who doesn’t want them
  4. No, fair is fair: he should have the same options she has. We don’t tell women: “keep you legs closed’” and leave it at that. We give her the pill and abortion
  5. Well, women have complete control of reproduction and with complete control, comes complete responsibility
  6. Yes. You’re quite right. I would always advise a man never to trust a woman when it comes to sex, since she might well unilaterally decide to use his sperm to ‘father’ a child. (credit Angry Harry)

[FEM]: It used to be legal for husbands to beat and rape their wives. (info)

  1. It’s amazing the false history Feminists try and paint. Do you really believe this stuff?
  2. Does anyone really think that our great grandfathers wanted to rape their wives? Please!
  3. It used to be legal for women to kill her husbands child. I think it was called ‘abortion’.
  4. Worse than that! ALL men used to beat and rape ALL women once a day. And twice on Sundays. It was the law.
  5. It used to be legal for a woman to commit adultery and then leave her husband and still make him pay her alimony. Actually, that’s the law now.
  6. It used to be legal for a woman to have a baby by another man and still make her husband pay for the child. Actually, that’s the law now.

[FEM]: Feminism helps men too / Feminism is good for men.

  1. No, it’s solely concerned with the welfare of women
  2. No, Feminism is bad for men too
  3. Feminism isn’t good for men or women,
  4. Yeah, and I heard that the KKK is good for black people

[FEM]: Men are afraid of women.

  1. Of course men are afraid of women, they pretend to like you and then they take all your stuff! (info)
  2. Well, if she wants you out of the house, then out you go. And if she doesn’t want you to see the children, then you don’t. Maybe men should be afraid of women! (credit Angry Harry)

[FEM]: Men are afraid of strong women.

  1. No. A strong women doesn’t need affirmative action. It’s the majority of women, the weak women that cause trouble for men
  2. No. Strong women are an asset, it’s toxic women that men are wary of.
  3. If only there was such a thing as a strong woman…
  4. Men have yet to encounter strong women, how could they be afraid of them?

[FEM]: Feminism started because women didn’t have the right to vote.

  1. Most men didn’t have the right to vote either, so why did women only focus on women’s right vote?

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you.ve got to laugh at the dictionary defn of fem.

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