| Film Details | 36 - Toxic Women - 08m 45s |
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| Notes | |
| Age Rating | U (no particularly shocking footage) |
| Synopsis | The dangers to men and business-owners of women in the workplace as regards complaints, litigation and selfishness. • Is working with a woman the same as working with a man? • Can a small business afford to hire a woman? • The fundamental difference in objectives between small business compared with large business • Women-only shortlists for parliament • Labour women MP’s say that the recession is worse for women… • Can women in parliament represent everyone or only women? |
| Interviewees | Stephen Fitzgerald, National Organiser of the Mankind Initiative Men’s Charity. All interviews recorded in 2004 |
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http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/05/24/sacramento-police-investigating-death-in-custody/ – May 25, 7:52 PM
Sorry for mistyping! I wanted to say: This story was told from her perspective, so nobody can say that there might have been other serious... – May 23, 10:46 AM
I think businesses period don’t understand that sometimes people have problems that need addressing that can’t always be done after work: doctor’s appointments being one of them. I think the 1 year maternity leave is kind of silly. 12 weeks is enough time for women to recover physically from giving birth.
Sure, sometimes people do have problems that need addressing, but the problem is that women are always, always, always legal timebombs because the law has made them so. Rather than having to deal with the practical realities of work, women are given the force of government to force employers and men to conform to them, rather than the other way around. If you want to work, you come to work each and every day you’re expected to, and then some, and endure a few jokes every now and then. If you get pregnant, why should you expect to have your job afterward?
If you’re a good employee, and you make an agreement with your employer to come back after you’ve delivered your baby, that’s one thing, but having government force employers to put up with it is wrong.
In this video, you mention women needing time off for “women’s problems”, where men cannot claim time off for “men’s problems”.
The other day I saw a commercial that enraged me, but can’t seem to find it on the net. It was for Maxidol or some other pill.
The commercial had a voice over of a camera shot looking at an empty chair at an office desk. The voice over said something like,
“Shelly won’t be in today, you know, cramps, headache, bloating…”
Then it cut to a shot of a woman shopping,
“Yeah, poor Shelly.”
I was angry. Because it has become so bad that not only have men accomodated women in every way in the workplace, women now ABUSE that accomodation so they can go shopping.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve called in sick to go to the beach before, but this isn’t a male specific problem I am claiming. But to deny a woman time off for mentrual cramps only invites legal action. Men don’t have that recourse.
Rant over.
i can agree with some of the arguments presented, however it is just as wrong to present women as inherent liars, bad workers and selfish towards men, as it is to present men as inherent rapists, oppressors and selfish towards women.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. I’m disappointed, cos what is really needed is a balanced and fair discussion that does not see either of the sexes as “toxic”, but recognizes that both men and women can be fair or selfish, good or bad workers.
At my job I am the hardest worker, while most of my male colleagues take extra breaks, take care of personal matters during working hours, watch tv etc if they have not been given specific assignments, and barely ever do something unless they are told even if they see that it needs to be done. I never use the working hours for personal matters and always make sure that I give 100%. But this is no reason for me to claim that men are toxic workers.
And about maternity leave: would it be fair to fire a man who takes a year off to defend the country? So why should it be fair to fire a woman who takes a year off to give birth to a child?
Don’t let the injustice of some women (when they make unfair generalizations against all men based on the behavior of some men) trigger you into speaking out injustice against all women. Be fair!
Peace
Contrary to your misapprehension about the men who defend their nations, almost none of them are taking a year’s break from their day jobs.
Of all the activities you could have given for men to do on their year-long breaks in your little analogy, you chose risking one’s life in combat as the analogue to women giving birth in the comfort of modern medicine. And what birth takes a year to complete, anyways?
Tina, the problem isn’t “the injustice of some women” over yonder. The problem is you.
@Eincrou
Just so Tina understands you: Because defending their nations is their day job! They don’t take time off from anything else to do that one. They send full-time PROFESSIONAL military personnel to do that work, not part-time weekend wannabes or SOFs.
@Alan
Yeah but nursing infants is also the mother’s full time job, during the first months of the baby’s life when it is completely helpless.
I wasn’t thinking of professional soldiers, but of conscripts that have to leave their job to enroll in the army. It would be mean not to let them have their job back when they return. That’s the similarity I was thinking of in terms of mothers that take time off work to rear infants.
If giving birth and taking care of infants is easier today thanks to technology, so modern combat is also much more comfortable than it may have been a few centuries ago.
@Eincrou
you write “The problem is you.”
Why?
I sort of got the impression that this website is dedicated to truth and challenging preconceived ideas. If I am wrong then the admins are free to tell me and I will withdraw from discussion.
Peace
I’m not sure if this is the most ignorant and heartless statement ever to grace these pages, but if not, it’s up there in the top 3. Make that the top 2.
I really don’t mean to be rude, but to equate in any way whatsoever the death of men in front-line combat with child-rearing, and to then suggest that somehow these men’s deaths and their experience of life-or-death combat are somehow more “comfortable” than those of men in times past, is something only a woman or female man could come up with.
I would indeed suggest withdrawal; not for the reason you give, but because this is not a place where belittlement of the male experience is tolerated. Try Jezebel, I’d imagine that comments like yours would be welcome there.
Here’s what gets me, and I imagine any of the other men around here who will see your comments:
You wanted to use an analogy in support of your desire for businesses to pay women for a year after giving birth, despite those women providing absolutely no benefit to the business during that time period.
For men’s part in the analogy, you could have chosen from among thousands of activities for men to do in their absence. Skateboarding, traveling, antique car restoration — you name it.
Instead of something like that, what you chose, “[take] a year off to defend the country,” makes no sense on any level. I’ll be short and give just one reason for why.
Being a member of a military, police, or security agency is a paid position in itself. Men doing this would be paid from their “defending the nation” job in addition to their old job.
Caring for an infant, in and of itself, doesn’t have a salary, so the “defend the country” activity is not analogous. This situation would lead to women demanding to be paid double their usual salary while at home, “for equality’s sake.”
The problem is that you are not using rational arguments in support of your position. Rather than use an example that would make logical sense, you used the most important thing you imagine men can do to give more rhetorical weight to your emotional argument.
In doing so, you forgot to weigh the risks, consequences and rewards of each activity you gave as examples. The men here do not consider the implications of “defending the country” in as blithe a manner as you do.
“Toxic Women” does not only refer to willful evil; in fact, that is a tiny minority of the problem. It refers mostly to women who have no regard for or understanding of what men must do to keep civilization running, yet these ignorant women inexplicably still have the power to vote in politicians who will force companies to give unearned benefits to women.
This, Tina, is why the problem is you.