| Film Details | 32 - War - 33m 02s |
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| Age Rating | 15 (strong footage/language, possibly including violence and sexual imagery) |
| Synopsis | Explores men’s incalculable sacrifice in wars past and present and how modern-day society attempts to elevate female sacrifice to the same level. • The nobility of men and why men fight for us all • Men in World War 1 and 2 • In history, how many women have demanded the equal right to conscription? • Remembrance Day, Armistice Day • Women in the military and affirmative action • Women’s cowardice • International Violence Against Women Day • Women’s love of diamonds the deaths of men that result |
| Interviewees | Angry Harry, Psychologist and Men’s Rights activist, angryharry.com. Simon, Psychologist and Writer. [identity protected] Fireman, London Fire Brigade. This man’s identity has been disguised in order to protect him from sanction by his employer for speaking the truth about Fire Brigade policy with respect to equal opportunities. Oliver Curry, Evolutionary Psychologist at the London School of Economics and contributing author to Demos, the independent think tank and research institute. Gavyn, Royal Marine Commando. All interviews recorded in 2004 |
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Just a heads up: Your figures concerning female deaths in WW2 will be attacked as unfair because of female resistance fighters who died in France, Holland, Belgium etc and on SOE operations.
Film 32 again is an excellent bit of work. It should also be noted that during ww1 the same women who campaigned for voting rights and then urged men to go to war and fight, also handed out white feathers of cowardice on the streets to males they found out of uniform. Thus men who were on leave from the hell of the trenches for any reason at all, found themselves being called cowards because they were not in uniform. This sickening behaviour has been airbrushed from history like so much of what these selfish females do. It is my strong opinion that we, the Mens’ Movement, should revive the tradition of the white feather and send them to journalists, politicians and feminists today who support the feminist cause and who denigrate men and boys.
Thank you for this video. The biggest problem I’ve had, on a street level, with getting other men on board is that way too many MRAs are ignorant of and/or ignore physical sex differences just like the feminists do. A huge mistake both factually and for recruiting. So a two big thumbs up for this video, not only respecting our fellow man for his sacrifice in war but in recognizing his prowess as men for doing so.
A powerful video. A statement near the end is so key. Men aren’t the ones who fight wars because they enjoy it, but because in a maximally escalated conflict, one where the stakes have been raised to human lives, both sides are going to put their best efforts and resources toward winning. The gift and curse, of a young, able bodied man is that his blood is the most valuable resource available. The side most able and willing to lose their society’s best products wins.
If silverback gorillas were better at fighting wars than men, then every nation would have massive zoo’s breeding and training them. For now, there is nothing we can put up against an enemy’s army of men that will be more effective than our own men. I hope for the day when a true replacement can be found.
Also, I get the feeling that the modified “Votes for Women” photo must be one of your favorites and I think it’s great. All you have to do is show somebody that picture, with no captions or comment, and they get the message perfectly.
Keep up the great work, MWM.
Much appreciated and well said. You’re right about that photo.
A very well-done video, one that should be more widely seen by policy makers and everyday people alike. I hope it will spur action on the part of all men, but especially men who have been in uniform and in combat. There is no better opponent against the feminists who want women in battle than a man who has “been there, done that” and seen war up-close and personnal. Right now, the feminists are carrying the day – and unless men show some backbone and defend our record as the rightful protectors of civilization, we will find ourselves out to pasture.
I hear you but I’m not sure if this is the right way to put it. It seems you’re speaking strictly militarily but, of course there’s the larger point.
For me, it’s simply that men stand up for everyone but themselves. Men, of course, have plenty of backbone, but it is not in our nature’s to battle with the other sex. It doesn’t make sense to us and we simply step back, to our great loss. Women – both Feminists and the rest of women who say nothing in the face of Feminism – don’t seem to have this difficulty. They are happy to fight men and damage them and do everything possible to strip men of civil rights etc in all the ways I’ve looked at in the films. It defies belief, when you think about it, but here we are.
Myself, I think that I’m not interested in being regarded as a defender of anything anymore. I’ll not protect a thing that does not do me the same favour. Society is actively trying to do me and my son for example harm, simply for being male. This is done under the guise that I and my son are harmful to society, simply for being male and need to be corralled and controlled with VAWA’s and Family courts etc, simply for being male. The list goes on but the bottom line is that men should withdraw from protecting a larger society that is not worth protecting.
Most men don’t care about other men, Feminist women (and the silent mass of women who may or may not call themselves “Feminist” but have nothing to say against it) don’t care about men. So, all that’s left is that those relatively few men who are aware of the situation, should do what they can for themselves and those they care about and stop there. There’s nothing else worth fighting for right now.
Re: “The list goes on but the bottom line is that men should withdraw from protecting a larger society that is not worth protecting.” You make a very good point, one with which I agree. Things have gotten so bad that it is now questionable whether men should risk their lives to protect anything except themselves, their families and perhaps the community around them. This is consistent with the original definition of patriotism, by the way – which is an attachment for and love of the local and the unique, as distinct from nationalism, which is obedience to and sacrifice in the name of the state. Most of us realize that the men dying in places like Afghanistan and Iraq are better men than the corrupt politicians sending them there. By defending only that which affects you directly, you sidestep this dilemma rather neatly. And most men do not hesitate to defend themselves or loved ones when attacked or threatened. This is as it should be.
Russ2d, re: “The biggest problem I’ve had, on a street level, with getting other men on board is that way too many MRAs are ignorant of and/or ignore physical sex differences just like the feminists do.”
Russ, too many men have bought into what I call the “Tomb Raider Effect,” even guys who should know better. Hollywood figured out some years ago that pairing hot looking babes who happen to “kick ass” with lots of violence and explosions, draws adolescent boys and girls alike into movie theaters. The gals get to feed their “I am woman, hear me roar” fantasies, while the guys get off on lots of violence and scantily-clad women. The trouble is, none of it reflects reality. There are a small number of tomboy-type gals out there who enjoy stereotypically masculine pursuits; these are the kind of women who are drawn to military service. The problem arises when they begin believing the feminist hype – that they can do anything a man can, up to and including things like humping a 100-lb. pack and being elite special operations infantry soldiers, killing hand-to-hand, clearing houses, fighting battles, etc.
I’ve trained in martial arts for years, in a hardcore hand-to-hand combat system. During that time, I have never seen a woman – no matter how fit or skilled – beat a man in hand-to-hand fighting. I’ve seen female martial artists beat prepubescent boys, but never a teenaged or adult male. There’s probably been some women fighters capable of beating a man, but I’ve never met one. When we started training knife and gun disarms, several of the female students – high-school and college-aged gals – just quit outright… one started crying just looking at the rubber knife we use for training (let alone the real knives we brought in later). Another female student with whom I trained, an elite endurance athlete and a nice lady, cried when I hit the sparring pads she was holding. She recovered nicely and is still training, but she is nowhere near tough enough to beat any of the men in a straight-up fight. Sorry, ladies, but this is the politically-incorrect truth.
Not long ago, I met a female Marine Corps. reserve officer – a young woman of perhaps 22-23 years old, no more than 5’3″ tall and 110 lbs. and quite pretty – who was adamant that she would make just as good as squad or platoon leader as any man. I told her in no uncertain terms that she was full of shit – of course, she stomped off in a huff. No disrespect, but I wouldn’t follow her across the street, let alone into battle – and neither would any self-respecting man.
This is what our world has come to…
I keep telling myself just one last video and end up spending all night on your website, bravo to you. I have spoken to some of my colleagues (male) about men’s rights and gender equality. They all laughed as though it couldn’t even be an issue. I have been referring them to sites like this one (and Angry Harry). There really needs to be more work in getting the word out. The real resistance to progress is lack of information getting out there.
Welcome on board.
Feminism’s biggest asset are the men that ignore it. I regard this as an uncomfortable fact that this is not going to change regardless of the amount of information out there. The men’s movement will always be about some men and not all men. But, as I said, this is a fact, not a problem. Some men is enough to do the job.
I thought you might like this article:
http://http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0310/Decades-later-women-pilots-from-World-War-II-get-their-due
It states:
“The “strength, spark, and unprecedented moxie” of female pilots helped fill the pilot shortage stateside as men were sent overseas to fly combat missions, Rep. Susan Davis (D) of California, said at the ceremony.
These women volunteers, many of whom have since died, paid for their own pilot training and served the military during the early years of World War II in hopes of joining the military. They tested and ferried aircraft, freeing men for combat flying.”
These women took the place of men as pilots while the men were overseas fighting a war. Many of them joined the WASP program, which tested planes and included training with men, but they were not military, they were still civilians.
They did not fly into the danger zone, nor did they die in combat on the battle field or in the air, yet here they are being awarded as a group, a Congressional Gold Medal which is basically like a Congressional Medal of Honor, the highest military honor there is.
To receive a Medal of Honor you must distinguish yourself by “conspicuous gallantry and risk courage at the risk of life above and beyond the call of duty. Each recommendation for this decoration must incontestably prove that the act of bravery or self-sacrifice involved obvious risk of life and, if the risk hadn’t been taken, there would be no just grounds for censure.” Do these women by this definition deserve that high honor, considering their lives were never at any risk, except of course the risk faced every person who flies? Do these women by this definition deserve that high honor, considering they never had to act in a truly self-sacrificing manner? Were their acts brave or simply routine seeing as they were far from combat and imminent danger? Clearly, they deserve recognition, but not an award of the highest military honor.
In the same book, I just quoted, I have also read several passage giving women undue credit for their participation in wartime. Some examples:
“US Army Air Corps’ strength in World War II would swell from 26,500 men and 2.200 aircraft in 1939 to 2,253,000 men and women and 63,715 aircraft in 1945.”
“…when they stop and consider that millions of enlisted men and women were involved in World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Global War on Terrorism, and current operations.”
“…not every warrior earns the Air Force Cross or Medal of Honor. There are many stories of ordinary men and women who serve in uniform today that also offer a portrait of courage.”
Also look up Ruth Law from World War I, who is the first female pilot and “considered one of the finest pilots of her time.” She has a special mention in the book, but is the only woman mentioned in the Air Forces history.
All these excerpts are from the ALDLC (Airman Leadership Distance Learning Course) Volume II: Military Professional, Chapter 2: Air Force Heritage, which is part of the EPME (Enlisted Professional Military Education) required from promotion as a non-commissioned officer.
By the way, my “you might like this article” at the beginning of my comment, was meant to be taken with a hint of sarcasm.